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		<title>Comment on Welcome Move on Mexico&#8217;s Drug Wars by Selective Impunity</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2010/03/24/welcome-move-on-mexicos-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-16094</link>
		<dc:creator>Selective Impunity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may have been welcome news for a city and country where impunity reigns and police often arrive too late. The arrest of the Aztecas leader could suggest that the system [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome Move on Mexico&#8217;s Drug Wars by Mike Charlton</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2010/03/24/welcome-move-on-mexicos-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-16093</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can certainly understand Secretary Clinton&#039;s refusal to discuss either decriminalization or legalization as a means to reduce drug demand.  First, it is something of a third rail in political discussion but more importantly, we have no real idea whether it would work. We might find out more about that alternative if California legalizes marijuana sales but at this point there is no data to support such a move.  We also can only speculate whether such a move would actually reduce the violence in Mexico; if there is any truth to the assertion that the cartels are already involved in US domestic drug production, then the answer would almost certainly be no.

This, however, is not to say that we can&#039;t reduce drug demand.  The last year has seen significant increas in research funding into methamphetamine addiction for which there is currently no proven therapy. The cartels manufacture and create most of the methamphetamine intended for US consumption.  There have been an increasing number of steps taken by the US judicial system to divert drug offenders from prison to rehabilitation and an increasing sense that we incarcerate far too many drug offenders.

What is missing, however, from the discussion is the extent to which reducing drug demand increases our security and thus, is in our national interest to pursue.  There seems to be no interest in discussing the real financial impact of US drug consumption on the Mexican economy. We can read in American newspapers that drug monies contribute anywhere from $12 billion (General Berry McCaffrey) to as much as $35 billion or more but we have no way of assessing which of those extremes is more accurate.

We can&#039;t seem to discuss to what extent our drug consumption supports the Mexican economy, if it does, and what effect might reducing demand have on increasing emigration from Mexico to the US. 

I guess in short, I am glad that there is some sense that we, as a country, bear some responsibility but we need more of of a committment to understanding that relationship and what we can realistically hope to achive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can certainly understand Secretary Clinton&#8217;s refusal to discuss either decriminalization or legalization as a means to reduce drug demand.  First, it is something of a third rail in political discussion but more importantly, we have no real idea whether it would work. We might find out more about that alternative if California legalizes marijuana sales but at this point there is no data to support such a move.  We also can only speculate whether such a move would actually reduce the violence in Mexico; if there is any truth to the assertion that the cartels are already involved in US domestic drug production, then the answer would almost certainly be no.</p>
<p>This, however, is not to say that we can&#8217;t reduce drug demand.  The last year has seen significant increas in research funding into methamphetamine addiction for which there is currently no proven therapy. The cartels manufacture and create most of the methamphetamine intended for US consumption.  There have been an increasing number of steps taken by the US judicial system to divert drug offenders from prison to rehabilitation and an increasing sense that we incarcerate far too many drug offenders.</p>
<p>What is missing, however, from the discussion is the extent to which reducing drug demand increases our security and thus, is in our national interest to pursue.  There seems to be no interest in discussing the real financial impact of US drug consumption on the Mexican economy. We can read in American newspapers that drug monies contribute anywhere from $12 billion (General Berry McCaffrey) to as much as $35 billion or more but we have no way of assessing which of those extremes is more accurate.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t seem to discuss to what extent our drug consumption supports the Mexican economy, if it does, and what effect might reducing demand have on increasing emigration from Mexico to the US. </p>
<p>I guess in short, I am glad that there is some sense that we, as a country, bear some responsibility but we need more of of a committment to understanding that relationship and what we can realistically hope to achive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mexico: Countering Drug Violence by Mike Charlton</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2010/03/16/mexico-countering-drug-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-16059</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the discussion about immigration largely misses the point; the US and Mexico have a largely symbiotic relationship that won&#039;t change.  Restricting immigration won&#039;t change that. Simplistically, people will go where the jobs are and US businesses will continue to insist on low wage workers.  

Where I do take some issue is that your post seems to require that Mexico make the necessary reforms:  remove corruption from the courts and police, institute education reforms, etc.  I agree that all of those goals are desirable; my reservation lies solely in whether they are possible in light of US drug demand.  Isn&#039;t it our responsiblity to try to reduce that demand and remove from the Mexican economy as much drug profit as possible? Conversly, is it even possible for any government to undertake these reforms when their country is awash in so much illegal monies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the discussion about immigration largely misses the point; the US and Mexico have a largely symbiotic relationship that won&#8217;t change.  Restricting immigration won&#8217;t change that. Simplistically, people will go where the jobs are and US businesses will continue to insist on low wage workers.  </p>
<p>Where I do take some issue is that your post seems to require that Mexico make the necessary reforms:  remove corruption from the courts and police, institute education reforms, etc.  I agree that all of those goals are desirable; my reservation lies solely in whether they are possible in light of US drug demand.  Isn&#8217;t it our responsiblity to try to reduce that demand and remove from the Mexican economy as much drug profit as possible? Conversly, is it even possible for any government to undertake these reforms when their country is awash in so much illegal monies?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mexico: Countering Drug Violence by Harvey Sapolsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey Sapolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An open border (not quite our current situation but close to it)is bad in at least three ways.
1) Mexico and other Latin American nations use migration North as a political safety valve. If US reduced illegal immigration, ambitious people in these countries would be a strong force for political and economic change. This change is vitally needed if these countries are to become democratic, prosperous societies less burdened by violence and corruption.
2) The earnings of America&#039;s poor would increase as the pool of cheap, illegal workers shrinks. It would cost Americans more to have their grass cut or dishes washed, but that would be the price. The benefits would be more of America&#039;s poor working to improve their family situations. Truth be told both American political parties have given up on our own poor. Why else would we be importing another poor population?
3) The rising cost of washing dishes or providing fast food service would also encourage technological change as we would work to eliminate the most boring, unpleasant tasks in society. Cheap wages discourages technological change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An open border (not quite our current situation but close to it)is bad in at least three ways.<br />
1) Mexico and other Latin American nations use migration North as a political safety valve. If US reduced illegal immigration, ambitious people in these countries would be a strong force for political and economic change. This change is vitally needed if these countries are to become democratic, prosperous societies less burdened by violence and corruption.<br />
2) The earnings of America&#8217;s poor would increase as the pool of cheap, illegal workers shrinks. It would cost Americans more to have their grass cut or dishes washed, but that would be the price. The benefits would be more of America&#8217;s poor working to improve their family situations. Truth be told both American political parties have given up on our own poor. Why else would we be importing another poor population?<br />
3) The rising cost of washing dishes or providing fast food service would also encourage technological change as we would work to eliminate the most boring, unpleasant tasks in society. Cheap wages discourages technological change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mexico: Countering Drug Violence by Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2010/03/16/mexico-countering-drug-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-16052</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are costs and benefits of migration for Mexico. While migration does draw away many of its most ambitious and entrepreneurial citizens, it also provides much needed resources to Mexican families, and has been one of the factors leading the increase in Mexico&#039;s middle class in the last two decades. Circular migration - the flow of migrants for periods of time to the US and then back again to their home country - can bring the added benefit of allowing migrants to develop new skills that then they bring home. One thing the current US system does is discourage this return to Mexico - as it is too costly for migrants to come back.

The Mexican government realizes the costs of migration, and hopes, in the long term, to stem these flows. And, if given the possibility to earn a living at home, a good number of migrants would do just that - stay home. But given the economic realities today, stopping Mexican migration today to the United States (whether legal or illegal) would create a large economic burden on the country, and perhaps lead even more workers into illicit parts of the economy, as they searched desperately for any means to make a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are costs and benefits of migration for Mexico. While migration does draw away many of its most ambitious and entrepreneurial citizens, it also provides much needed resources to Mexican families, and has been one of the factors leading the increase in Mexico&#8217;s middle class in the last two decades. Circular migration &#8211; the flow of migrants for periods of time to the US and then back again to their home country &#8211; can bring the added benefit of allowing migrants to develop new skills that then they bring home. One thing the current US system does is discourage this return to Mexico &#8211; as it is too costly for migrants to come back.</p>
<p>The Mexican government realizes the costs of migration, and hopes, in the long term, to stem these flows. And, if given the possibility to earn a living at home, a good number of migrants would do just that &#8211; stay home. But given the economic realities today, stopping Mexican migration today to the United States (whether legal or illegal) would create a large economic burden on the country, and perhaps lead even more workers into illicit parts of the economy, as they searched desperately for any means to make a living.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mexico: Countering Drug Violence by Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2010/03/16/mexico-countering-drug-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-16045</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Shannon,

You will have to forgive me as my field is US national security, not Latin American or Mexican studies, but it seems to me (after reading your latest post) that Mexico is heading for a crash and that we should help soften it. Wouldn&#039;t it be better for Mexico if we were not the door out for the most ambitious among Mexico&#039;s citizens. If we controlled the influx into the United States, those who want to get ahead would become a force of change within Mexico. Our desire for cheap labor hinders Mexico&#039;s needed change. We are the safety valve for the narrow rich elite in that country. This is not good for Mexico nor the United States.

Sincerely,

H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Shannon,</p>
<p>You will have to forgive me as my field is US national security, not Latin American or Mexican studies, but it seems to me (after reading your latest post) that Mexico is heading for a crash and that we should help soften it. Wouldn&#8217;t it be better for Mexico if we were not the door out for the most ambitious among Mexico&#8217;s citizens. If we controlled the influx into the United States, those who want to get ahead would become a force of change within Mexico. Our desire for cheap labor hinders Mexico&#8217;s needed change. We are the safety valve for the narrow rich elite in that country. This is not good for Mexico nor the United States.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>H.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama and the World: Latin America by Obama and Latin America: A Review of Year One &#171; Democracy in Latin America Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2010/01/21/obama-and-the-world-latin-america/comment-page-1/#comment-16005</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama and Latin America: A Review of Year One &#171; Democracy in Latin America Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Sabatini and Jason Marczak, &#8220;Obama’s Tango:  Restoring U.S. Leadership in Latin America,&#8221; Foreign Affairs, January/February 2010. See also the interview with Christopher Sabatini and Shannon O&#8217;Neill here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Christopher Sabatini and Jason Marczak, &#8220;Obama’s Tango:  Restoring U.S. Leadership in Latin America,&#8221; Foreign Affairs, January/February 2010. See also the interview with Christopher Sabatini and Shannon O&#8217;Neill here. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Helping Mexico Help Itself by Maren Zaucha</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2009/02/24/helping-mexico-help-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-15975</link>
		<dc:creator>Maren Zaucha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Breaking Mexico&#8217;s Fall by Mike Charlton</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2009/11/19/breaking-mexicos-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-15806</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t this quote the real hurdle to overcome:

Dr. Edgardo Buscaglia, a law professor at the Autonomous Technological Institute in Mexico City and a senior legal and economic adviser to the UN and the World Bank, concluded in a recent report that 17 of Mexico’s 31 states have become virtual narco-republics, where organized crime has infiltrated government, the courts, and the police so extensively that there is almost no way they can be cleaned up. The drug gangs have acquired a “military capacity” that enables them to confront the army on an almost equal footing.

If this is accurate, then it suggests that the cartels already control most of the country, at least in terms of the number of states. Whatever your view of the Mexican Army, that it is corrupt or that it is top heavy as the other commenter noted, or that it is inept, one thing seems clear: it has already lost a huge chunk of Mexico to the cartels.

Except that their agenda is criminal and not political, is the current state of Mexico any appreciably different than a successful insurgency?  and if that is the case, can Calderon&#039;s army, even if not inseperably linked to the institutional corruption of the PRI, ever succeed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t this quote the real hurdle to overcome:</p>
<p>Dr. Edgardo Buscaglia, a law professor at the Autonomous Technological Institute in Mexico City and a senior legal and economic adviser to the UN and the World Bank, concluded in a recent report that 17 of Mexico’s 31 states have become virtual narco-republics, where organized crime has infiltrated government, the courts, and the police so extensively that there is almost no way they can be cleaned up. The drug gangs have acquired a “military capacity” that enables them to confront the army on an almost equal footing.</p>
<p>If this is accurate, then it suggests that the cartels already control most of the country, at least in terms of the number of states. Whatever your view of the Mexican Army, that it is corrupt or that it is top heavy as the other commenter noted, or that it is inept, one thing seems clear: it has already lost a huge chunk of Mexico to the cartels.</p>
<p>Except that their agenda is criminal and not political, is the current state of Mexico any appreciably different than a successful insurgency?  and if that is the case, can Calderon&#8217;s army, even if not inseperably linked to the institutional corruption of the PRI, ever succeed?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Other Shoe Dropping? Latin America&#8217;s Private Sector Debt by Allan Renn</title>
		<link>http://www.latintelligence.com/2008/12/18/the-other-shoe-dropping-latin-americas-private-sector-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-15786</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Renn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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